HOWEDY janet you pathetic miserable stinkin rotten lyin
animal murderin punk thug coward active acute chronic
life-long incurable malignant maliciHOWES mental case
and professional dog trainin FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,
Post by Rockybut bark collars (set off by the bark) may lead to an
unintended increase in your fence fighting issue.
I've found the opposite to be true. I use(d) a bark box device though,
so both MY dog and the dog behind me got corrected at the same time.
You mean it punishes both dogs at the same time so's
the dog you DIDN'T HURT won't feel jealHOWES?
Lucy solo was responsive to command, but once the other dogs
Yeah. It's always "the other dogs".
snarked at her first or in retaliation,
"In retaliation" for WHAAAT??
I admit that she was selectively deaf.
You mean she IGNORES YOU when you tell
her to "SHUT UP!" or "LEAVE IT!" even when
you JERK an CHOKE an SHOCK IT <{}: ~ ( >
LIKE THIS:
"J1Boss" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
On 6 Feb 2006 17:41:08 GMT, Mary Healey
Does that include tone of voice?
Some tools are easier to ban than others.
yes - screaming banshees are told to shut up! And I
always have to remind spouses that they may NOT do the
"honey - you're supposed to be doing it like THIS"......
--
Janet B
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
AND LIKE THIS:
"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss
http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt
Or you could just SHOCK them.
LIKE THIS:
"J1Boss" <***@aol.com> wrote in message news:***@mb-m18.aol.com...
He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.
Janet Boss
Post by RockyPost by RockyI can't imagine needing anything higher than a 5
with it, even with an insensitive dog like a Lab.
An INSENSITIVE DOG???
Post by RockyI can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but
I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.
Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?
Post by RockyMy dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are
DOGS. I don't have anything against electronic bark
collars, but they should be used in conjunction with
actually working at training your dog(s).
They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.
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LIKE THIS:
Here's janet boss and her REAL LIFE IN PERSON
"students" paul and his RESCUE dog Muttley whom
she wanted to MURDER:
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <***@smart.net> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <***@smart.net> wrote
Hello everyone:
If you have followed some of my posts, you know
something about the ongoing story of Muttley, the
large GSD/Chow dog I have been trying to adopt
or place in a better home.
I will add a bit more history later in this post.
Last Tuesday, toward the end of Janet's obedience
class, Muttley and I had just finished fairly successfully
performing a sit/stay/come routine, and then he was
sitting by my side.
The final routine was to be a "down", which Muttley
has had some difficulty with, and frankly I have not
had the time to work with him much on that.
I was kneeling at his side, trying to hold his collar
while pushing his front legs down to the position,
while he resisted. Suddenly he lunged, knocking
me over onto the parking lot, and I lost grip of the
leash as I reflexively broke my fall.
Muttley took the opportunity to attack a young black
male Lab to my left, and it was a very brutal attack.
Janet and the instructors tried to gain control, and as
soon as I could get to my feet I grabbed the leash and
pulled him off.
That was the end of the class, and the other dog,
Bernie, was taken to an animal hospital for treatment.
When everyone had left, Janet counseled me about
what should be done about Muttley.
She said this was more than ordinary aggression,
and only intensive (and expensive) one on one
training would have any chance at working, and
in any case, he was not suited to group training.
She advised me that Muttley could be dangerous,
and she recommended that he be euthanized.
"They can't all be saved".
<snip>
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Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <***@smart.net> wrote
<snip>
If I did not have to worry about my cat, I would
probably keep him, and I am certain I could avoid
any more dangerous episodes. I probably would
not have taken him to obedience classes at this time
if that was not such a difficult issue, and if people
here had not essentially shamed me into doing so.
Then he would only be a bratty dog with a mind of
his own, but he would not have been identified as
dangerous.
--------------------------
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
Here's janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON "student" paul:
#2 - 6/05/07
Post by RockyWhen I was training him under Janet's supervision I
was instructed to give it a ? firm yank as a correction.
I advised you to use a prong collar, not give firm yanks
on a chain choke collar. I hate the things.
Post by RockyShe was able to get his attention with just a quick tug, but I
had to yank on it hard enough to lift him off his feet to get him
to respond.
Looking back now, I think it was based on his fear, which he
had for her (as an unknown), but not for me (whom he had
learned to trust).
He wasn't afraid of me. He knew I was a confident trainer.
Fear has no place in dog training, as I told you THEN.
Janet.
It seems to me that applying stern corrections, by
popping a choker chain, prong collar, or whatever,
is a way to ensure compliance by instilling a fear
of further punishment.
Sure, if it is administered very consistently
by a confident trainer, the dog soon learns
to obey. There was no positive reinforcement,
so what remains is negative.
Also, I recall the time you were going to show me
how I could get Muttley to take his rawhide treat
from me without lunging for it. When you offered
it to him, he refused to take it. This IMHO is likely
a fear behavior.
Things have changed a lot since then, and I have
learned a lot, and Muttley has settled down quite
a bit. I probably still give him too much freedom
to think on his own, but that's just my way of
doing things, and that's probably not going to
change much. He may never win an obedience
medal, but I don't think he is dangerously out
of control, either.
Paul and Muttley
"I thought I was told that the way to get the dog to go
down was to make him sit and then step on the leash.
That was awkward and didn't seem to work.
I will confess that I only tried the "down" position
once or twice at home, and I also often used it
instead of "Off" when I wanted him to stop
jumping on me or elsewhere I didn't want him to be.
I had to give him corrections every few seconds,
and also just about kick him, to keep him at my
left side.
Muttley is really a very sweet and loving dog, but
he needs more socialization with other dogs. However,
it is very likely that I will have him put down in a week."
Subject: Muttley: Now a question of Life or Death
"Paul E. Schoen" <***@smart.net> wrote
It is a shame that Muttley will probably be put
down (his appointment is next Wednesday),
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THAT'S quite a SUCCESS STORY, ain't it <{}: ~ ( >
HERE'S HOWE COME:
Subject: Re: redirected aggression
Date: 4/11/07
"Janet Boss" <***@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote in message news:janet-***@news.individual.net...
It seems I have been dealing with this a bit lately.
Dog to dog and dog to person,, with dogs who are
obviously overstimulated by what's in front of them.
What's in front of them varies from people at the door
to dogs in their path or directly in their face. The dogs
in question all have very poor self control.
I have dog(s) with not-so-great-natural self control,
so it's something we constantly work on. We don't
have redirected stuff going on, because we have enough
obedience to avoid it.
While I know that's the big answer for the dogs in
question as well, I'm curious what things people have
found useful to redirect/focus/gain attention from
drivey dogs or just very distracted of over-the-top dogs.
We're having success with my recommendations, but I'm
always open to something novel that may be the hot ticket.
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
SEE?
AND LIKE THIS:
Here's a other of janet's REAL LIFE IN PERSON
"students" FOR THREE YEARS:
Subject: First Class was tonite
1 From: Nessa
Date: Tues, Jun 11 2002 8:32 pm
Email: Nessa <***@nessa.info>
Tonite I started Janet's obedience class. It's
like NIGHT and DAY from the class Bagel 'flunked'.
I was amazed at the difference and I am very glad
Janet gave me the chance to attend her class.
I can't wait till PK on Saturday.
Nessa
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Subject: Training...
1 From: Nessa
Date: Wed, Jun 12 2002 9:45 pm
Email: Nessa <***@nessa.info>
well both my kids are asleep one on my left and
one on my right. Bagel has taken to running away
every chance he gets now so I have to be ever vigilant.
I have tried every type of collar around. Flat Buckle,
nylon lobster claw slip collar, harness, gentle leader.
Yesterday I watched him on a prong collar.
I SWORE I would NEVER use a prong collar.
He willingly sits to have it put on (as opposed
to fighting me when I put on the gentle leader).
He is no longer pulling on the leash when we walk.
Currently he is doing his 30 minute quiet period
next to my chair with it on since he is leashed and
he is out like a light. So is Hannah.
I tried to find them a place to play off leash tonight
since Bagel has become a happy wanderer and I
couldn't find a safe place so they didn't get as much
play as any of us would like.
I am doing my training with Janet and I am so happy.
Bagel did his sit downs tonight without much fuss and
Hannah watched from the crate. Then we let Hannah
do about 5 minutes of sit and down.
She's getting good at them.
I have been rewarding with treats and tonite I didn't
and they still did what I told them to do. with Bagel
on my left with his head facing front and Hannah on
my right with her head facing back I feel like I have
the most beautiful bookends in the world.
Life with a dog..... PRICELESS
Nessa
--
I don't have issues
I have subscriptions
www.nessa.info
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From: Nessa
Date: Thurs, Jul 4 2002 8:22 am
That aside, I crate trained both my dogs
successfully, and used the crate to house
train them.
Bagel is so well crate trained that in the mornings when
I make his Kong, he runs to the crate and since I am not
crating him anymore (just confining him) but I am crating
Hannah, I have to pull him out of the crate and he does not
want to get out.
BTW housebreaking with Janet is going quite well.
Nessa
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Subject: I went away for the weekend... big mistake
1 From: Nessa -
Date: Sun, Jul 21 2002 9:58 pm
Email: Nessa <***@nessa.info>
I went away for the weekend and I think my
dog walker will never speak to me again.
Bagel escaped from the kitchen and ate about 10
pounds of puppy food and proceeded to deposit it
all over my house.
He esp. liked my living room sofa which was my
mothers as he pulled some cushions off of it and
literally stood on it and peed.
Yes I know my dog has issues and I know I need help.
I think my poor dog walker needs therapy now.
It was a rough dog weekend for her and not
just with my kids.
I didn't know until the last minute I was going
away and NEXT time, the furbabies will go to
furbaby camp for the weekend.
It was too much for them.
Well live and learn.
Meanwhile, I'm still glad I went on retreat.
My house will survive as things are not important.
Hannah still loves me and Bagel will talk
to me in a few days.....
Nessa
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From: Nessa (***@nessa.info)
Subject: Re: Where we stand/sit/down/leave it Now
Date: 2003-09-17 14:14:51 PST
On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 15:16:04 -0400,
Charlie Wilkes wrote (in message
Yes, it's a huge improvement over shoving them
in crates at night. But why does Bagel have to
be leashed?
because he will wander the area (room if i close
the door or house if i don't) and pee and bark all
night long. but i said that already you must not
be reading for comprehension.
--
Nessa
=========
Subject: Night time barking.. Help needed
1 From: Nessa
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 5:50 am
Email: Nessa <***@nessa.info>
Morning all,
Bagel and Hannah are doing well except for
night time barking in the house for play time.
Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp.
between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
out (because if I could it's no biggie and I can
sleep through it).
My problem is that my next door neighbors (I live in
a townhouse) don't appreciate it (and I can't blame them).
If they are very tired after a day at the park they tend
to sleep better but I can't get them to the park now
everyday because it gets dark earlier. I try to let them
run around a bit in the neighborhood with other dogs
but it's not enough.
oh that is when the owners and I are standing there.
we try to let them all play under supervision.
I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah
into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
(there is no other way to describe dogs running down
wooden steps)
I know a tired dog is a good dog. I just don't know
what to do to hold off the barking. I know they are
playing and all I can think of is the line from the kids
book Go Dog Go (one of my favorites) is:
Now it is night
Sleep dogs sleep
(btw the drawing is of all these dogs sleeping in a big bed
on the pillows like humans with their party hats on)
I'm at the point where I am considering a soft muzzle to
prevent parking. Someone has offered the use of the
shock collar to teach no bark but I don't want to do that.
I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much.
HELP!!
Nessa
--
I don't have issues
I have subscriptions
www.nessa.info
2 From: J1Boss
Date: Wed, Sep 18 2002 7:48 am
Problem is it that when I am trying to sleep esp.
between 1 and 5. I CAN'T just let them bark it
out (because if I could it's no biggie
and I can sleep through it).
What the (*&(*)(* are they doing awake between 1 and 5?
I can live with the banging (as Bagel slams Hannah
into the wall or Hannah throws one of her bones down
the uncarpeted steps and they waterfall down the steps
(there is no other way to describe dogs running down
wooden steps)
Baby gate. Door.
Do NOT let them wander the house getting
more charged up.
I'm too sleep deprived to do anything much.
HELP!!
Nessa - I would seriously consider why these dogs
are up at 1-5 and even thinking they CAN be! They
need to be confined to your room, told firmly to knock
it off, and have that backed up with some sort of
correction if they don't.
If all else fails, tether then away from each other, but
honestly, if they aren't responsive to you telling them
to cut it out, we're back to the "bigger issues" problem.
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
Voted "Best of Baltimore 2001" - Baltimore Magazine
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Maybe she can't scream at her dogs at night?
A few weeks ago it started at 5:30 am and it has become
increasingly earlier until this morning he started at 4:00.
Ignoring him has proven to be futile, as has calming him
down and rewarding him with a treat and, as a last resort,
spraying him with water from a plant sprayer.
This morning I even put him in his crate and took him into
the bathroom with me as I prepared for work (normally he
stays in a x-pen in the kitchen) but he only calmed down
for a few minutes before the whining began again.
A 1 year old should be hanging out with you. Overnight,
around the house, and heck, even neat the bathroom while
you get ready for work..
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
Subject: Puppy license expires
1 From: Nessa
Date: Fri, Jul 26 2002 5:57 am
Email: Nessa <***@nessa.info>
Yep, she is pretty much housebroken so I let her
out of the crate at night to sleep with me. But last
night, while I was asleep she ATE MY GLASSES.
It's my fault, I left them on the night table (where I
always leave them) so I could see when I got up.
I needed a new pair but I wanted to be able to get
them without having to miss work. Now, poof here
I am glassesless. thank goodness we have 1 hour
glass makers pretty close by.
Well she's crated now until this chewing phase is over.
Hannah will be 5 months old next week. Any advice
on how to deal with this other than the standard, no bite,
here chew this, crating, etc.
Nessa
--
I don't have issues
I have subscriptions
www.nessa.info
nessa's dogs got her EVICTED to boot <{}: ~ ( >
From: Nessa (***@comcast.net)
Subject: Re: Sad News.. I need someone to take my dogs
Date: 2003-08-26 09:55:03 PST
well I'm not BLAMING my job it's ONE of MANY
things that I'm considering.
As for returning them to their respective shelters,
I don't want to split them up and I'm not going to
give them to just anyone. Possibly because I am
doing everything I can to keep them and drag this
mess out as long as possible in hopes that it will
work out.
=============
BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
nessa's dogs TURNED ON HER an janet
GOT MAD at her for not MURDERIN
them at her FULL SERVICE SHELTER.
"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "CourteHOWES Canine."
"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?
When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0500, Janet B
Since you quoted me repeatedly, where does it say
I beat dogs, choke dogs, scream at dogs, etc? Thanks
for your clarification.
responding to my own post, I had to go back and look
at the original post, to remind myself what "we" are all
accused of doing:
"screaming, choking,
shocking, pinching, beating
the living crap out of your dogs"
Scream? no
Choke? no
Shock? e-collars are a lot more sophisticated than that
Pinch? if you want to classify a momentary discomfort
by a prong collar, go ahead, but unless you have first
hand experience with one, your opinion means nothing
Beat the living crap out of? hardly - no hitting exists
Janet.
lying frosty dahl writes:
"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less
tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking
them more sharply.
With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'
Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the
stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to
the dummy.
Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,
Now you are ready to progress to what most
people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent
that resisting your will fades in importance.
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb;
even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that
Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy
against its lips and pinching its ear.
if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing
and the collar, even the buckle on the collar.
Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in"
--------------------
"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack
Wouldn't Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't
Take It. I Still Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear
He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.
captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."
"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.
"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds To Pain
And Punishment, High Tolerance For Correction, Escalation
Of Correction To A Level Where The Dog Yelps When You
Punish Him, Thus Making The Experience One Which The
Dog Will Want To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon, RAAF.
What does the "choke" in the "choke chain" stand for, then?
Lucy
one reason I call them slip collars. Their is a correction involved,
and while it causes momentary discomfort, does not choke the dog.
OTOH, it is CAPABLE fo being used to do that, should a situation
warrant it.
--
Janet B
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From: "Deltones" <***@hotmail.com>
Date: 2 Dec 2005 10:55:41 -0800
Subject: Re: In defense of Jerry Howe's methods
I'm still asking for 5 original posts from people here at least
5 years to support your initial contention (NOT HURTING
DOGS TO TRAIN THEM).
You're 0 for 2, so far.
That's 2 in 2 as far as I'm concerned but hey, if you insist. I'm
really curious to see what will be the justification this time. So
far we have:
Limited choking? Hey, it's limited, As
Neo would say: Woah, there is no choke.
Dogs pumped full of prozac? Hey, they're trippin
man. Remember Woodstock. Euh.... Woodwhat?
E-Collar? I'm sure some of you will come up with: But my
dog look so pretty with an electrified perm. Swoooon.
So on with the fun. Taken from the "Collars" thread,
started by Perry Templeton June 20 2005
Denis
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And here's another one from the same author, taken from the same thread:
167. Janet B
Jun 21, 12:03 pm show options
On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:40:11 +0100, "Alison"
I'm just wondering why you had to use choke chains to
"train"your dogs especially as they are so small.
Oh geez - let's see - how many JRTs act like alligators
at the end of a leash? I personally prefer prong collars.
----------------
Let's go for the hat trick with the same author, taken from the same thread:
141. Janet B
Jun 27, 10:01 pm
I don't use choke chains. Not quite true - I use a jeweler's hex link
on Franklin at times - it's puuuuuurty. I know the "sound" thing
and all, and when training a dog in a non-group setting, that sound
may be a factor, but I think it fails in the context of a group class.
So, I prefer the better fitting nylon slip collars, and very often,
pinch collars (small link unless it's a freaky dog, then they need
the milder medium link).
But I use e-collars too. With one of my dogs and with some clients.
For circumstances where a physical collar and leash is not the right
answer. I'm sure Lucy has no clue what THAT means!
--
Janet B
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Here's your PARTNER who heelped nessa "train" her
fear aggressive hyperactive HOWETA CON-TROLL
PROBABLY DEAD dogs:
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
Post by RockyWhat I have said- repeatedly - is that he took
posts from two different people,
Of curse THAT'S a lie.
Post by Rockytook pieces of them out of context,
Of curse. QUOTED. You wanna see it in context?
Post by Rockycobbled them together,
No. There was WON DIRECT QUOTE.
"Neatly," and "Smartly."
Post by Rockyand a fake signature.
"sinofabitch" instead of sionnach.
Post by RockyWhich is exactly what he did.
INDEEDY. That's HOWE COME you deny it.
Post by RockyThe actual quote is misleading
That so?
Post by Rockywhen taken out of context,
We'd been talkin abHOWET beatin the dog with a shoe...
Post by Rockyand Jerry's faked "quote"
The WON sinofabitch totally DENIES.
Post by Rockyis downright meaningless.
Only if you're a MENTAL CASE.
Here's Jerry's version
"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My
Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My
Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into
Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And
Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch.
Here's yours;
"I dropped the leash, threw my
right arm over the Lab's shoulder,
grabbed her opposite foot with my
left hand, rolled her on her side,
leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and
nipped her ear.
--Sara Sionnach
"The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context"
See?
"BethF" <***@NOT-SO-bad-dawgs-in-ak.com>
wrote in message news:***@corp.supernews.com...
Kyle, FWIW, i thought it was pretty funny,
and i often call my little dog the turd, because
he is one. Some folks think its HORRRIBLE i
would insult my dog like that so i guess its just a
matter of personality.
Kyle, the best way to teach him to stay away is to
step on him once. Seriously.
"Whatever Motivates The Dog, But I Daresay Most
Of The Dogs I Have In Classes Just Aren't That
Interested In Praise."
"BethF" <***@alaska.com> wrote in message news:***@corp.supernews.com...
Maybe that's what we should do - hold back the dobie
girl so that Izzy can put Simon in his place.
From: sionnach (***@email.msn.com)
Subject: Re: Correct use of prong collar
Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST
Post by RockyWho said that? I would never do or recommend
that, and neither would most of the regulars
on here.
Sally Hennessey
I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed
to do so. Take it out of context and you'd think
I was flinging puppies across the room!
here's what I said (keep in mind that we're
A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's very persistant.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make
it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily
misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff
of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"?
I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy
is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take
hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and
give a slight shake to the *skin*".
Janet's not talking about actually shaking
the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is
abusive."
----------------------
"After Numerous Training Classes, Behavioral
Consultations, And Hundreds Of Dollars In Vet
Bills, I Killed My Dalmatian Several Years Ago
Due To Extreme Dog-Aggressiveness," mustang sally.
"I'll bet you don't know a thing about me.
I volunteered as assistant to the euthanasia
tech at our local shelter for a while, and
I know a bit about overpopulation and
unwanted animals.
This however has nothing at all to do with
responsible breeders, because responsible
breeders don't contribute to that problem,"
Mustang Sally.
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BWEEEAAAHAAAHAAA~!~!~!
Re: Dog Training - Common House Training Problems
In article ***@4ax.com,
Maximus <***@molosserdogs.com> wrote:
Jerry,
Your Wits' End Training Method Manual has been a huge hit
with me and my website visitors. I don't know Howe you do
it but your methods are solid and they work. The members of
www.molosserdogs.com love it.
All the best.
Re: Dog Training - Common House Training Problems
"Janet Boss" <***@bestfriendsdogobedience.com> wrote in message news:janet-***@news.individual.net... Jerry,
Congratulations! You are a *******WINNER*******
You and your spam, combined with your responding to
the loon, have earned you a permanent place in my killfile!
Isn't it great to win things on the internet?
--
Janet Boss
www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com
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OR DO YOU WANT A PIECE OF THIS?:
From: Janet B
Date: Fri, Mar 3 2006 6:27 pm
On Fri, 03 Mar 2006 22:13:32 GMT, Robin Nuttall
Here's the theory. The only people who think Jerry makes sense
are those with the same mental problems as Jerry. I.e., it takes a
loon to understand a loon.
I do believe you've hit the nail on the head, Robin.
Getting back to the subject line, I started using the e-collar with
Rudy today. He's hit adolescence and is so engrossed in munching
sticks, flirting with the Dobe bitch behind us, etc, that his recall
has become a bit inadequate. Now then, I can go out to him, call
him, and he's fine with that.
He comes, sits front, I food reward, and all is right with the world.
Only he really needs to come from the back of the yard with me at
the back door, 100'+ away. I tapped him on ~12 (Dogtra 1200) and
he perked up and recalled beautifully.
Did it again at a point where he was in the bushes and totally focused
on something. He came happily, tail wagging, and got a food reward
as well. Since then, he has just recalled, no tap given.
We'll be using it daily, especially at his most challenging times
of day (the post-dinner Dobe shmoozing). I'll be teaching it to
DH now, since Rudy rarely recalls to him in a reasonable amount
of time, and he handles it poorly.
We need to keep endearing the Rude-man to him after all!
--
Janet B
BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!
how effective are these electronic fences in
keeping a dog on a property????
Some run through it. Others get shocked and become
too scared to go out in the yard anymore.
Just heard of a guy that has to rehome his dog,
because the dog got caught right in the path of
the shock and will now not go near his person,
won't go outside.
Just hides under a desk in the house.
------------------------------------
"micha el" ***@spamyourmamma.com
wrote in message news:***@comcast.com...
Anyway, contrary to your PR, this is what
it felt like to me when I got shocked by
Hope's collar.
It felt like a bomb going off in my
hand and forearm.
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From: ***@aol.com (J1Boss)
Date: 2000/10/06
Subject: Re: Shina Inu Experts : Please help!
Post by RockyThis is a young puppy, hardly a threat to a kat.
See? They just cannot conceive of a cat, for example, scratching
out the eyes of a young puppy because it didn't want to be bothered
by an over-exurburant puppy (are there any other kinds?).
********** Jerry's never met a puppy, He's never met a
RETRIEVER PUPPY, that's pretty clear. I have a wonderfully
exhuberant retriever puppy - love every minute of it.
My 17 year old cat, doesn't have quite the same appreciation.
Sometimes, Franklin licks his ears and Robie enjoys it. Other
times, Franklin thinks Robie's another puppy and Robie does
not enjoy that. Without my supervision, confinement is only
sensible (of course).
I've got Jer-Jer kill-filed, but the glimpes at his posts, through
re-posts, are good indications that nothing has changed.
But if a crate is a "barrier" to training a puppy, then what
must the walls of a SCHOOL ROOM be, eh?
*********** and don't forget cribs for crawling babies, safety
gates, doors, etc. Let's just open up the houses and let everyone
run amok!
Ladies and gentlemen, he literally counts on many of you
being too damn stupid or ignorant to see just how little he
actually knows about dogs, puppies, cats, etc.
Don't let him, eh?
Dogman
************** It's so difficult for the newbies, since so many
of the people who DO have good advice, have killfiled him.
Tired of refuting slander and general inaccuracies in his "they're
all bad, I'm good" rants (without any actual training advice, as
usual) is a reality for most.
Are there actually people, besides Marilyn, who believe him?
Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"
THAT was your pal DOGMAN, another pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin anonymHOWES coward.
Not so handsome, not so gentle, not so manly, not so
happy jackass, not even morrison aka dogman a.k.a.
BIG DADDY, a.k.a. tommy sorenson, sez:
"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and shin. Yep, really lean into it.
Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about rushing past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.
Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.
If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.
When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and nudge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."
I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."
"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.
A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.
Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive bastard
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens
At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."
=====================
From: ***@i1.net (Dogman)
Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab
Get this book:
"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete
If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).
You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.
And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman
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From: ***@deltaville.net (Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700
Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:
I have a four year old male GSD. He growls
at me sometimes. When he growls at me he
stares me in the face and lays his ears back.
The New Skete books say that the dog should not be
allowed to do that. They suggest shaking down the
dog by grabing the dog on the sides of his neck and
picking him off his front feet, then giving the dog the
same sort of treatment the dog would give another if
it were challenging him.
Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
the dog know you are the alpha dog.
Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was not
convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.
Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might
help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he
has nothing to fear from me?
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From: Charlie Wilkes <***@users.easynews.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:14 GMT
Subject: Re: My GSD bit me.
You need to improve your acting skills. Get a werewolf
suit with blood-drenched fangs and claw gloves and THEN
go after your dog.
Knock the shit out of him and don't be afraid to crack
some ribs. Then yank the mask off and shout "SURPRISE!
IT'S ME!" I guarantee you and your dog will have a new
relationship based on mutual respect.
Keep in mind that the monks of New Skete
were pre-Lon-Chaney.
Charlie
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HOWE COME would matty set his INFORMATIVE POSTS to
EXXXPIRE in six days like elegy, montana, diddler, professora
melanie chang, cindy title moore of k9web.com, and not so happy,
not so handsome, not so gentle jackass, not even jack morrison,
a.k.a. BIG DADDY a.k.a. DOGMAN a.k.a. tommy sorenson of
sorenson's Retriever PUPPY MILL and SHOCK COLLAR SALES??
Are they EMBARRASSED by their own words, the lyin animal
murderin punk thug coward mental cases frauds an SCAM ARTISTS?
matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:
"Rocky" <***@rocky-dog.com> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine. What an idiotic response! Whoops.
BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!
You wanna see matty's 'obviHOWES LIES' and IDIOTIC RESPONSES??
Here's more from your PAL matty:
From: Rocky <***@rocky-dog.com.invalid>
Date: 24 Jul 2004 04:00:53 GMT
Local: Fri, Jul 23 2004 11:00 pm
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Everything he preaches is very positive, no
correction, no punishment, all praise and love.
You are very wrong.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky <***@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 23 Nov 2003 02:40:42 GMT
Subject: Re: house training
I dont like the insinuations that i am abusing
my dog when i am NOT.
Then you may want to ignore the Puppy Wizard/Jerry Howe.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky <***@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 16 Aug 2002 18:40:54 GMT
Subject: Re: training a dog...
The pressure meant a GOOD possibility if she could
just push up hard enough, I'd understand. I did
eventually <G>. I switched to a light tap!
Yup, once a dog learns to sit, a light tap
works as a reminder when they "forget".
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
But "NEVER HIT your dog", eh, matty?
From: "Nevyn" <***@badmama.com.au>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:05:45 +0800
Subject: Re: puppy wizzards training manual.
G'DAY STEVE.
I used to be like you.
Then I found a book...it was called... the
wits end dog training manual.... and then
there was light..and perfectly trained dogs.
--
Thankyou,
Nevyn
Nevyn E.D.
Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer
***@badmama.com.au
"Yu agonna get whats comin' to you...for
all the bad bad things you to do your...dog"
________________________
Post by RockyHello, Mr. puppy wizzard, how do i find a copy of
your manual. Do you have a link that takes me to it?
I think i would like to read it.
Now i have another question for you in regards to
walking your dog. How do you feel about the gentle
leader? I bought one for each of my pups and the
difference in walking them is unbelievable. If you are
not sure what the gentle leader is check out their web
site at www.premier.com. If you are as good as you say
you are i want to read your manual.
thanks,
Steve
P.s. by the way my pup doesnt pee as soon as i put
him in his crate its after he's been in for a while
and cant hold it anymore that he pee's
Howdy, jerry,
well i started reading your manual, Im going to
perfectly honest with you I thought last night when
i started reading your posts you were full of crap
but the more i read the more i could tell that you
really do care about dogs. That is why asked for
a copy of your manual.
I really like your analogy on barking that was very
interesting and gave it a perspective i never even thought
of. As far as your praising the dogs when they are
misbehaving i still dont understand how that works (i
didnt get all that far in the manual yet.
But i must say my female was clawing at the couch so i
praised her like you say to do, i praised her twice for
it and she stopped and came over to me.
So i think what you have to say has merit, And for one
am anxious to finish the book and get started because
i love my dogs and really am looking forward to interacting
with them on a positive note all of the time.
This may be a little premature jerry, but
Thank you
Steve
Post by RockyJerry, you give the lying dog abusing punk thug coward
mental cases too much credit for the ability to influence
Naaah, The Amazing Puppy Wizard was just BAITING these lying
dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases again <{); ~ ) >
You really are a piece of work.
INDEEDY, matty. Robin studied and followed the INSTRUCTIONS
in her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and REPORTED
her 100% NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS RIGHT HERE on The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums And SCHOOL Of HARD KNOCKS
And HUMAN And ANIMAL BEHAVIOR RESEARCH
LABORATORIES, matty <{); ~ ) >
You're settin in it <{); ~ ) >
Keep this out of the health groups, 'kay?
Dogs DIE from separation anXXXIHOWESNESS, matty, JUST
LIKE HOWE your own DEATHLY ILL dog Rocky is DYIN from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME, on accHOWENT of you're a lyin dog abusin
punk thug coward MENTAL CASE, matty, and you can't post here
abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE <{); ~ ) >
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Post by RockyWhen you compare using sound and
praise to solve a problem with using
shock collars, hanging, and punishment
how can you criticize the use of sound?
There's nothing more to be said, then.
You've made up your mind.
But you've impressed me by mentioning
that you're a professor with 30 years of
experience.
\
So, can you cite some examples of
people recommending "shock collars,
hanging, and punishment"?
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
Post by RockyI do know that hitting, hurting your dog
will often make the dog either aggressive
or a fear biter, neither of which we want
to do.
And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
No matter what Jerry Howe states.
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BUT, giving you the benefit of the
doubt, please provide a quote (an
original quote, not from one of Jerry
Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
shows a regular poster promoting or
using an abusive form of training.
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
So, can you cite some examples of
people recommending "shock collars,
hanging, and punishment"?
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of
which you have read so many. While you're going
through them, point out those which recommend
shocking, and pinching, and beating. Thank you.
--
-Matt. Rocky's a Dog
Post by RockyAfter your defense of "Limited" choking, what
would be the point? Where I come from, choking
is choking. It's never limited.
So, you can't point out abuse where none occurs.
Thank you for your contribution.
-
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
From: Rocky (***@rocky-dog.com)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST
I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have,
Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the
leash.
Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
---------------
Sometimes my "voice of god" startles human
and dog, especially when the human didn't
see the inappropriate behaviour. --Matt.
Rocky's a Dog.
Anybody else got bilingual dogs?
Long ago my Hebrew was pretty good - but now I
only use "Chutza"(throat clearing 'ch') - "Out" when
it's reallyreally important that my dogs get away from
something.
"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp
Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't
Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still
Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My
Cat," Melanie Lee Chang * ***@lppi.ucsf.edu
Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
University of California, San Francisco
http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/
From: Rocky <***@rocky-dog.com>
Date: 10 Jun 2003 18:00:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Absolutely abysmal agility day
Robin Nuttall said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior
One of the things that frustrates methe most about
agility is that people seem to think that ALL dogs
are fragile, shrinking flowers who cannot be
corrected in any way.
Well, maybe one day -- when Friday doesn't take
correction so much to heart -- I'll try something
different. Right now, he's just getting the confidence
to work a few jumps ahead of me.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"I crate Rocky, even though he's 8.5 years old, but
only when I'm gone during summertime days -
maybe an hour at the most. (Other than hot days,
my dogs are always with me.)
While Friday has been totally reliable unsupervised
from the day I got him from a rescue, Rocky has not.
Rocky will go looking for food even in areas where
there's no possibility of food.
The good thing is that he likes his crate, runs for
it when I ask, and gets food when he's in it.
--
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!
From: Rocky (***@sunada.com)
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14
By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume
that you are suggesting that the people knee the
dog in the chest. If that's what you meant, just
say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid
criticism from people like me. That kind of crap has
got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods
of dealing with behavior problems.
Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.
Why did you blow it?
--Matt
choke chains are outdated and barbaric in many
cases causing more harm than good.
Back at you with flat buckle collars. These are an
incredibly abused training tool, what with the number
of handlers I see pulling back and jerking on the leash
with both hands.
It's a good thing that most of us are here because of
dogs' well-being and not an agenda.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!!
Here's HOWER DOG LOVER pal sgt grant teebon, RAAF:
"Reliable Punishment Cycles, Different Thresholds
To Pain And Punishment, High Tolerance For
Correction, Escalation Of Correction To A Level
Where The Dog Yelps When You Punish Him,
Thus Making The Experience One Which The Dog
Will Want To Avoid In The Future," grant teeboon,
RAAF.
Here's HOWER DOG LOVER pal captain
arthur haggerty, USArmy K-9 Corps:
captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK"
Makes A ResoundingSound Distraction: "When
You Chuck The Dog The Sound Will Travel Up
The Mandible To The Ears And Give A Popping
Sound To The Dog."
lying frosty dahl writes:
"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less
tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking
them more sharply.
With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'
Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the
stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to
the dummy.
Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog,
Now you are ready to progress to what most
people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.
Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent
that resisting your will fades in importance.
but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb;
even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that
Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy
against its lips and pinching its ear.
if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.
Try pinching the ear between the metal casing
and the collar, even the buckle on the collar.
Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in"
==============
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"
Koehler On Correcting The Housebreaking Backslider.
"If the punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will
continue to mess in the house. An indelible impression
can sometimes be made by giving the dog a hard
spanking of long duration, then leaving him tied by
the mess he's made so you can come back at twenty
minute intervals and punish him again for the same
thing. (Dogs are REALLY stupid. J.H.)
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment. It will be better for your dog,
as well as the house, if you really pour it on him."
"Housebreaking Problems:
"The Koehler Method of Dog Training"
Howell Book House, 1996"
Occasionally, there is a pup who seems determined to
relieve himself inside the house, regardless of how
often he has the opportunity to go outside. This dog
may require punishment. Make certain he is equipped
with a collar and piece of line so he can't avoid
correction.
When you discover a mess, move in fast, take him to
the place of his error, and hold his head close enough
so that he associates his error with the punishment.
Punish him by spanking him with a light strap or
switch. Either one is better than a folded newspaper.
It is important to your future relationship that you
do not rush at him and start swinging before you get
hold of him.
When he's been spanked, take him outside. Chances
are, if you are careful in your feeding and close
observation, you will not have to do much punishing.
Be consistent in your handling.
To have a pup almost house-broken and then force
him to commit an error by not providing an opportunity
to go outside is very unfair. Careful planning will
make your job easier.
The same general techniques of housebreaking apply
to grown dogs that are inexperienced in the house.
For the grown dog who was reliable in the house and
then backslides, the method of correction differs
somewhat. In this group of "backsliders" we have the
"revenge piddler." This dog protests being alone by
messing on the floor and often in the middle of a bed.
The first step of correction is to confine the dog
closely in a part of the house when you go away, so
that he is constantly reminded of his obligation. The
fact that he once was reliable in the house is proof
that the dog knows right from wrong, and it leaves
you no other course than to punish him sufficiently
to convince him that the satisfaction of his
wrongdoing is not worth the consequences. If the
punishment is not severe enough, some of these
"backsliders" will think they're winning and will
continue to mess in the house.
An indelible impression can sometimes be made
by giving the dog a hard spanking of long duration,
then leaving him tied by the mess he's made so you
can come back at twenty minute intervals and punish
him again for the same thing.
In most cases, the dog that deliberately does this
disagreeable thing cannot be made reliable by the
light spanking that some owners seem to think is
adequate punishment.
It will be better for your dog, as well as the house,
if you really pour it on him.
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AIN'T GOT NO AGENDAS HERE, SEE??